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BaconSoda · Jul 26, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

Overall interupting warriors isn't the best path, but if there is an incredibly ideal (to out debate) situation, as Emarith created, using Cry or Complicate is the best, and really only, choice. Lets face it, Signet Interupts are far less useful than Spell ones (still very useful however, but 1/7~1/8 doesn't match 1/4). I prolly just started a debate on Signets, but just want to put my 2 cents in about that.

In PvP, best ways to interupt warriors is to shut them down. Signet of Midnight, Ineptitude, Price + Spirit of Failure is a good one (in my experience).
The only skills really worth interupting are Healing Signet, and Flourish (if any tank brings that, which they shouldn't).

Eaimirth Etaivella · Jul 26, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Eaimirth creates his situations that have happened at least once; even if they are highly unlikely. They have happened; and happened to me, and when you are the player the present is all that matters-hence my arguement.

*supports uselessness for high end interrupting with signets*

BaconSoda · Jul 27, 2006, 04:16 AM // 04:16

I'm not trying to be offensive Emerith, and actually I've had that situation more than once in my PvP experiences. I was merely stating how ideal it was to our debate.

Lady Lozza · Jul 27, 2006, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Actually, my question would be, why isn't the monk kiting like hell?

Clumsiness, Ineptitude, Images of Remorse, are some of the best anti-warrior skills in the game. Interrupting a warrior however, is not easy with a bunch of mesmer skills, and often not worth it (except for healing sig). The best thing that can be done is to punish them for attacking, or use skills to diminish their chance of hitting the target.

For complete shutdown, the best skill would be pacifism or amity (both monk), but the team co-ordination needed for this is ridiculous.

Eaimirth Etaivella · Jul 28, 2006, 04:41 AM // 04:41

Correction; the "best" should be defined as "the best defense allowable"
Clumb, Inept, IoR; these may be the as you state "the best anti-warrior skills in the game" and I will not debate that.
However- the best defense allowable is often limited in a domination mesmer's set up. Kiting is nice; so is sprint, rush, knockdowns, etc. and kiting can fail.

The monk will be doing alot of good while having his tush on the ground; and the best defense the domination mesmer has at range is cry; close it would be blackout.

...pacy/amity are...not skills a monk should use. Maybe a Emo; but not a monk.

-Note- This is my last post; I have now quit guildwars. Nerfing of my items, my skills, etc has cost me over 3million gold...which in short sucks. Add the fact of complete lack of factions in oklahoma and that I am no an entire expansion behind of the rest of GW...I lost the desire to play. That and mesmers are still hated everywhere.

So farewell guys; I'm off to go play ragnarok. [email protected] if you have questions about anything I'm knowledgeable about; you know what those are. If you don't; don't email me =p.

Katina · Jul 29, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Don't forget the blackout on warriors when they've build adren

Grasping Darkness · Jul 29, 2006, 08:34 AM // 08:34

warriors are less than nothing in pvp anymore so i dont understand the worry for needing to shut them down.

General Surena · Jul 29, 2006, 08:46 AM // 08:46

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Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness

warriors are less than nothing in pvp anymore so i dont understand the worry for needing to shut them down.

Yeah, because RA counts.

LordLucifer · Jul 30, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness

warriors are less than nothing in pvp anymore so i dont understand the worry for needing to shut them down.

RA, TA, IWAY...

and yah, only thing worth interrupting on a war is rez sig and healing sig...or jsut bring ignorance if you worry abt them so much..

as a warrior player i can tell you, blackout hurts badly, distortion+spirit of failure=nulify the warrior, blindness, hope you have a monk in the team.... ineptude, damn that can make wars cry..

oh yah, abt illusionary weapon and ineptude, they are also very deadly, its a shame but a mesmer with a sword and IW can beat many warriors =/

Gigashadow · Aug 18, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

Empathy is good if you want to do damage to someone who attacks. It does not prevent them from attacking, it just hurts them to do so.

Ineptitude is better. Its an elite that does damage and interupts an attack and blinds.

Empathy + Spirit of Failure + Sympathetic Visage + Phantom Pain is a good combo (assuming you can cast them fast enough).

As for IW, the weapon you wield (melee) does 0 damage. Its the enchantment spell that does the damage. Avarre is correct about the constant damage.

Ineptitude is terrible. It has a long recharge time and it's elite.

Empathy, while not amazing, at least is not elite. It also has a shorter recharge time, so you can keep it on multiple warriors.

LightningHell · Aug 19, 2006, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Originally Posted by Eaimirth Etaivella

Heh; guess I'm the only one who addressed the question. Interrupting would prove useful if say...power return interrupted skills...but it doesn't. I mean...talk about a great use for the skill; warriors often lack energy skills for such a purpose in that they do not count on using said skills...thus a surplus of energy on a warrior has little use for them; and you get to interrupt all of their adrenaline skills.

But it doesn't.

Interrupting warriors has a purpose; your monk is about to die, you have seconds to act and you are not illusion based. You are domination based and you can only stop the warrior through blackout or interrupt. Diversion will not stop your monk from dying, and you are not in range for a blackout. You can interrupt that evisricate; it has a purpose. Don't say that it doesn't.

Flashbot blind~!

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Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness

warriors are less than nothing in pvp anymore so i dont understand the worry for needing to shut them down.

And I thought everyone read Why Nuking Sucks...

Warriors are the largest threat in straight DPS, and quite probably in spikes, if they're in range and they're charged. We elementalists have been pushed back to doing menial tasks such as spamming Heal Party, Blinding that Warrior, snaring that target/Warrior...Press that "B" button and look at a Guild Battle.

remmeh · Aug 20, 2006, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Ineptitude is terrible. It has a long recharge time and it's elite.

but you can't help but rofl when you see a warrior frenzy and toss it on him... giggles

Heart Melter · Aug 23, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Ineptitude is terrible. It has a long recharge time and it's elite.

Empathy, while not amazing, at least is not elite. It also has a shorter recharge time, so you can keep it on multiple warriors.

These statements are true to a point (that being the warrior in question). Ineptitude is awesome when used at the right time like when the warrior is already less than halfway on health. This brings back the memory of my W/R targetting a Mesmer who I can see casting Arcane Echo then begun casting Ineptitude. Allow me to be honest and say "I Sprint the hell out of there!" But, of course not every warrior pays THAT much attention.

As for Empathy, yes you slap it on multiple warriors and may be ideal compared to Ineptitude but not that fearsome to a lot of warriors which may be the wrong attitude, but my W/R will hit Melandru's Resilience and cut right through it with ease. Still a good spell though.

I agree that the best best way to stop a warrior is in fact by shutting him down with Blackout, and make him cry with Clumsiness and Spirit of Failure.

LightningHell · Aug 23, 2006, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by Heart Melter

These statements are true to a point (that being the warrior in question). Ineptitude is awesome when used at the right time like when the warrior is already less than halfway on health. This brings back the memory of my W/R targetting a Mesmer who I can see casting Arcane Echo then begun casting Ineptitude. Allow me to be honest and say "I Sprint the hell out of there!" But, of course not every warrior pays THAT much attention.

As for Empathy, yes you slap it on multiple warriors and may be ideal compared to Ineptitude but not that fearsome to a lot of warriors which may be the wrong attitude, but my W/R will hit Melandru's Resilience and cut right through it with ease. Still a good spell though.

I agree that the best best way to stop a warrior is in fact by shutting him down with Blackout, and make him cry with Clumsiness and Spirit of Failure.

No offense but we are discussing some pretty bad spells/skills here. I mean Melandru's Resilience and Empathy.

Empathy, while looking good, will get Inspired happily by their monk.

Melandru's Resilience, while looking good, means you lose your elite, which isn't really something you want to do when you're a Warrior. As a Sword warrior, also, you have other things to bring, and Axe and Hammer really need their elites.

All in all, I just don't see the use. 3 pips isn't going to save you, and empathy won't kill you.

Heart Melter · Aug 23, 2006, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

No offense but we are discussing some pretty bad spells/skills here. I mean Melandru's Resilience and Empathy.

Empathy, while looking good, will get Inspired happily by their monk.

Melandru's Resilience, while looking good, means you lose your elite, which isn't really something you want to do when you're a Warrior. As a Sword warrior, also, you have other things to bring, and Axe and Hammer really need their elites.

All in all, I just don't see the use. 3 pips isn't going to save you, and empathy won't kill you.

No offense taken.

My Warrior is a Ranger by secondary profession and my goal in PvP is not always maximum damage that can easily healed by any efficient monk, but to spread conditions via Apply Poison which works a lot better for me since it's applied to every hit of my warrior's axe, and is not subject to Mesmer skills that eliminate my ability to build adrenaline. Think of it, if you're busy healing yourself of poison, which is constantly reapplied, you're not attacking. If the Monk is constantly trying to heal and take poison off an ally, he's may not be paying enough attention to his other allies.

About Melandru's Resilience, more often than not I'll be using it along with Troll Unguent (depending on the situation) giving me a great amount more than 3 pips. The key thing to understand about my use of Melandru's Resilience is based on the fact that as a Warrior I'll normally be attacked by more than one condition or hex at a time. In fact, when I deviate normal PvP and play in Fort Aspenwood, I'm often stacked with at least 3 conditions/hexes and those 3 pips along with Troll Unguent really becomes handy moreso than Eviscerate, Cleave or any attack based Elite.

I'm sure you'd understand my build a lot more if I got into more detail about it, but this is not the right place for it. But it works great for my playstyle and I often become a priority target which can be bittersweet.

You are right of course, about Empathy and the fact that as long as you're high on health it won't hurt you very much. Now, if I'm reading your post incorrectly let me know, but I didn't say I'm the one casting Empathy which can be happily inspired....after all, my char is a W/R. I was responding with my opinion to the effectiveness of Empathy and how other Mesmer spells would hurt my warrior even moreso.

Cheers!

ValidusMonachus · Aug 23, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

Use Ineptitude. It's one of my most useful elites for use against Warriors.

BaconSoda, how do you manage to use Ineptitude + Signet of Midnight as they're both Elite skills?

LightningHell · Aug 24, 2006, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by Heart Melter

No offense taken.

My Warrior is a Ranger by secondary profession and my goal in PvP is not always maximum damage that can easily healed by any efficient monk, but to spread conditions via Apply Poison which works a lot better for me since it's applied to every hit of my warrior's axe, and is not subject to Mesmer skills that eliminate my ability to build adrenaline. Think of it, if you're busy healing yourself of poison, which is constantly reapplied, you're not attacking. If the Monk is constantly trying to heal and take poison off an ally, he's may not be paying enough attention to his other allies.

About Melandru's Resilience, more often than not I'll be using it along with Troll Unguent (depending on the situation) giving me a great amount more than 3 pips. The key thing to understand about my use of Melandru's Resilience is based on the fact that as a Warrior I'll normally be attacked by more than one condition or hex at a time. In fact, when I deviate normal PvP and play in Fort Aspenwood, I'm often stacked with at least 3 conditions/hexes and those 3 pips along with Troll Unguent really becomes handy moreso than Eviscerate, Cleave or any attack based Elite.

I'm sure you'd understand my build a lot more if I got into more detail about it, but this is not the right place for it. But it works great for my playstyle and I often become a priority target which can be bittersweet.

You are right of course, about Empathy and the fact that as long as you're high on health it won't hurt you very much. Now, if I'm reading your post incorrectly let me know, but I didn't say I'm the one casting Empathy which can be happily inspired....after all, my char is a W/R. I was responding with my opinion to the effectiveness of Empathy and how other Mesmer spells would hurt my warrior even moreso.

Cheers!

For Empathy, I was talking to the person you were responding to. :P

ubermancer · Aug 24, 2006, 01:16 PM // 13:16

Soul Bind + Wastrel's Worry.

If still cant interupt Warrior's, you shouldnt be playing an interupter.